Comedy fundraiser held for convicted Amanda Knox

When your own country fails to intervene on behalf of one of its children being mistreated by a foreign state the only defense is the righteousness of the people. Both Rubin Carter and Angela Davis were later freed from bogus murder convictions. A democracy like Italy should be held to a higher standard of accountability for its misdeeds than a totalitarian dictatorship like North Korea.

When Amanda Knox is found guilty once more after her appeal. There will be a vast silence from so many of her so called supporters. There happens to be a world of documanted evidence between Rubin Carter, Angela Davis and Amanda Knox. So live with it. The evidence is not going to change no matter how loudly you lot squeek about inhumanity. Just wait till March when the report comes out detailing the reasons for the guilty verdict.

Right on, Mr. Kadas.

I’m waiting for the U.S. government to intervene on Amanda’s behalf. She is a American citizen convicted of a crime that she could not possibly have committed.

I had this naive idea that, as an American, my government would support me if I was traveling abroad and I was accused of a crime. Especially if my rights were trampled and, even more so if the police tortured me.

Didn’t we just go through a debate about torturing terrorism detainees? Didn’t President Obama renounce torture? I’m afraid I don’t understand. It’s illegal for the CIA to torture terrorists who want to blow us up. But it’s OK for Italian police to question a 20-year-old college student––who made straight A’s and won scholarships and had no no record of violent behavior––for 14 hours, in Italian, without allowing her an attorney or a translator, and to allegedly strike her twice. To me that’s torture. What’s left? Calling in Jack Bauer?

Well, it’s not OK with me. And it shouldn’t be OK with you. Call your congressman: (202) 224-3121.

Just wait till the brits from PMF invade your comment section. 3, 2, 1,.

She is getting what she deserves.
Arogant americans think they are better than the rest of the world. Amanda is not guilty yet you think Joran is guilty

A comedy fundraiser? For a convicted murderer? Tacky and without class. Though from a family that refuses to offer condolences to the family of the victim, I guess it shouldn’t be surprising.

Vigils and rallies all over the US? Really? Name one. Go ahead. Aside from ones that occur in Seattle.

Only 90 people in her HOMETOWN, most of whom were relatives, in a little COMEDY club…

Something tells me that, aside from this tiny family event in Seattle, there aren’t ANY “vigils”and “RALLIES” being held “all over the US” …

This sounds like another fabrication planted by Amanda’s million-dollar Seattle PR team.

The day I see a pro-Amanda “rally” for drug-addled Amanda, well…that’s the day I’m an astronaut.

Amanda knox, Rafaelle Soleccito and Rudy Guede were given a fair trial in the murder of Meredith Kercher, and no I am not a Brit, I am from Seattle. If you dig beneath the biased coverage of this case you will find the 3 murderers were given what they deserved.

Let me make sure I understand this.

You advertise for weeks, hold a fundraiser to make $10,000, and then counting at least 10 Family member/relatives, the 5 comedians, a bunch of theater employees,and you get a total of “almost 90 people”

You say there are “vigils and rallies” all over the US
(but fail to cite even one specifically)

May I politely suggest you restrict your “statements” such as these to the FOA website.
They would fit right in with most others there.

Or maybe suggest it to Marriott to mouth for Edda’s next media menagerie. She is a master of mega mis-statements.

PS Not a Brit either for whatever that snarky BS means

Gogerty Stark Marriott making another rounds at synthesizing a “Nation-wide” support group.

This is what Marriott PR is doing in the news:

Media Relations

Understanding what makes the media tick can be essential to the success of many high-profile projects. Gogerty Marriott helps our clients develop media plans that provide reporters and editors with information needed to understand the issues and to help clients communicate appropriately when there is controversy. Instrumental in these plans are the following tactics:

-Briefings with reporters and editorial writers
-Events that attract favorable news coverage
-Media kits including press releases, fact sheets and Q and As
-Producing and placing op-eds
-Letters to the editor campaigns
-Placement of positive stories
-Media training for client spokespersons and message preparation
-Internal research and risk assessment to help anticipate and prepare for potentially negative coverage.

The only people who write in support are lame, go-nowhere editorials, such as this one.
Google picks them up because of their detailed search engine (love ya Google!).

This article is subjective, unbiased and irrelevant. This isn’t news.

@Richard Kadas:

you say:

‘A democracy like Italy should be held to a higher standard of accountability for its misdeeds than a totalitarian dictatorship like North Korea.’

Bud, get real !

Google Mt Cermis and have a good look at good ‘ol American accountability. Heard of Guentanamo Bay?

Also, get your head out of the sand, you ostrich !!

dixi

It’s good to know that are people out there who really do care about Amanda Knox. The fund raiser at the Comedy Underground only proves it. Yes the evidence is overwhelming but the evidence clearly points away from Amanda and Rafaelle, and I don’t care what other people say or think. If anybody else out there believes they are innocent take a stand, and don’t let anybody back you down, and if they are going to say you’re lame or stupid there the ones with the problem not you. Until then as I always say, Amanda is in my thoughts and my prayers.

Amanda and Raffaele are utterly innocent and their trial was one of the great travesties of justice of our time.

There is vast evidence that this crime was committed by a local thug from the Ivory Coast named Rudy Guede. His DNA was everywhere including inside the victim. His prints were there, his feces in the toilet and he flees to Germany the next day. He had defensive wounds. AK and RS had no defensive wounds.

Guede’s DNA was found in areas indicating sexual penetration and the American girl didn’t put it there. The prosecutor’s idea of Amanda holding down the victim while Guede sexually assaults her would have no parallel in the annals of crime.

In Italy’s trial of the century, their justice system was broken. This was a show trial and a kangaroo court in modern day Europe. Americans have every right to come in and demand justice.

Hello,
pretty interesting in this case is the role of the italian media. They are special in one way. The Berlusconi family controls 87% (RAI and Mediaset).
The organisation Freedom House says: italian media are partly free media.

These young inocent people are used. There lifetime ist stolen. They are in prison and they have done nothing.
Yes you are right if you say Mrs A.Knox is funny. She is. But she is not a murderer or …
Stupidiy…

Ahem.

Even the British press, so notoriously in the anti-Knox corner, has reported that Knox is “snowed in” by a flurry of support letters from thousands in the states. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1235592/Amanda-Knoxs-thousands-supportive-letters-nasty-UK.html

And Time magazine conducted a poll which found that 54% of Americans believe Knox did not receive a fair trial: http://www.timepolls.com/hppolls/archive/poll_results_543.html

Punchline is not editorializing, nor or we attempting to take a stance on Ms. Knox’s guilt or innocence. In case you hadn’t noticed, we’re in the business of comedy, not hard-hitting crime stories. This piece merely states that Amanda Knox has a number of supporters in the US, which, if you did your homework, you would find out is true.

I look at Amanda and realize that it could very easily be my daughter and my family in this desperate situation. When I see pictures of Amanda I see innocence, I see beauty, I see Hope, But most of all I see God. I can see that If Amanda had actually been home that night she probably would be dead too, and then there would be no hope. I believe that that there are better days ahead for Amanda. I think if we all get behind Amanda and bring her home we will surely see the powers that are within all of us as a community of people who give a damm.

really, vigils in the honor of who? a charming, sexy psychopath, compulsive liar and a convicted murderer? where are these vigils takin place? in a church or synogague? wht is his joke or something, listen man if this happened to ur sister or mother then u ont be holding fundraiser or vigils for some one like amanda knox. u ought to be ashamed of urself for supporting amanda when all circumstantial evidence prove that she is a an actutally a sexy butcher. the way meredith got killed, anyone who supports this beast , evil amanda really is in line with devil and devil worship. hope this sexy butcer rot in that hole in italy . also shame to amanda;s father and mother, these are heartless parents just like theisr cold blue eyeed evil beast daughter

Ah … what a surreal page, anyone notice? Amanda’s face right underneath an ad for something called ‘Tailgate Party.’ Furthermore, I didn’t know what Luminol was until I read up on this case. What a world we live in.

I live in a very big state, CALIFORNIA…….almost next door to Amanda’s home state, Washington……I checked online and did not find ONE FUNDRAISER anywhere in California for Amanda….in fact, I checked Oregon, just south of WA. and nothing there also…..so why are you saying there are many fundraisers all over America for Amanda? Maybe after all the facts are out in the open about how the jury came to their decision to convict Amanda, this case will be put to rest. Or who knows, another fundraiser on the ‘year anniversary’ of Amanda’s conviction is in the planning stage right now……..SHAMEFUL……

Last time I looked democracies elect their leaders and therefore the people are more responsible for the country’s misdeeds whether the persecution of Amanda Knox or the Guantanamo Prison. its a difference in degree not kind.]
Besides America is more important to Italy than it is to America. The Italian-Americans won’t get to upset if Uncle Sugar squeezes Italy to quickly cough up Amanda because the arbitrary misuse of power so evident in her persecution reminds them of why their ancestors came to America

Now Ask yourselves, “Where’s Hillary Clinton the self-appointed guardian of women’s rights” Unfortunately, she only helps those well connected with her politically like Al Gore (rescue of his 2 reporters from North Korea) or Roxana Saberi(who was pretty much guilty of the Iranian charges) but shared a literary agent (Robert Lambertt) with Hillary

I’m one of those concerned about the fairness of the trial. Pretrial evidence seemed to evaporate during the trial itself. The neighbor woman who reported hearing an animated conversation between a man and a woman outside the cottage late at night was completely discredited, she couldn’t have heard anything from her apartment, but this was announced only after her report had been widely circulated in the news and read by people who concluded that Amanda and Raphaele were guilty. Rudy Guede had been found three times with a knife, beaking and entering, during the months before the murder, yet that doesn’t seem widely known. I am waiting for the report on this and other details. I’d rather we didn’t criticize Italian justice; we have trouble enough with our own system, and they seem to have a more open appeal system than we do to review evidence and decisions. This verdict needs a thorough review and I’m glad thats possible in the Italian system.
Vee

Much disinformation is circulated about this topic.
It should be traced to the source. We’re still sorting it out. Most of the anti-Amanda/Rafaele rumors seem to have no solid source. They literally are not traced to chapter and verse of a legitimate source. And then, have you seen a transcript of the trial? The public does not have it. Yet the jury was allowed to read sensational rumors and gossip while the trial was going on.

At this website, http://www.sciencespheres.com please at least, scroll down to the heading which reads, “I Just Highly Doubt All of That”
(Not sure whether you can just click the link or whether you have to paste it)

Not my ego but fair justice is what matters…. not just that I be vindicated that what I guessed about t his case is right. It’s very tragic and I, for one, value the life of Meredith Kercher just as much as anyone and feel sad for her and her family and friends.

I’ve actually become fascinated by all the twisted
logic and scenarios that show a great discomfort
with the truth of her innocence. Clearly, some
have made a substantial emotional investment in
the belief that Amanda is guilty.
It was a physical impossibility to participate
in this horrible crime without leaving substantial
DNA evidence in the room where the crime took place.
That’s why Rudy Guede’s forensic evidence is all
over the room. After all, HE did the crime.
Now, find one piece of irrefutable evidence that Amanda
and Raffaele were in the room when the murder took place.
Just ONE piece of IRREFUTABLE evidence that they were
there. Like a bloody thumb print. You can’t because
they weren’t there. Every piece of evidence that was
offered by the prosecution was demolished by the defense.
That’s important because Amanda lived at the residence
and Raffaele had visited several times. One needs to
establish their presence in the room when the murder took place because she lived at the residence and he visited.
They are both innocent. I know that the truth of that
hurts some people. They want to believe what Amanda wanted to believe: that an innocent person doesn’t get convicted of a crime that they didn’t commit. Very sadly it happens.

Amanda Knox is innocent and I will never stop praying for her release every day of my life..I cant understand this at all..Its like a no brainer she is innocent and yet people cant see that…why? Its like so evil its scarey. I could never in a million years go to italy again and enjoy myself like I once had…Also the American government is desgusting me as well for doing nothing at all. Are we really all humans living on this planet Im starting to believe people in power are cold blooded reptiles w no heart or intuition at all and I hope there ego ges crushed and I hope God keeps amanda safe n the universe gets her the hell out of there…She deserves the Nobel Peace Prize..But lets face it this world is way to sick still for that 2 happen…The people who have hurt her are going straight to hell….Amanda is a hero.. an angel..please send her so much love…

Compelling evidence against Amanda and Raffaele simply doesn’t exist. The kitchen knife was not the murder weapon, the bra clasp is meaningless, there were no bloody footprints, the so called witnesses were preposterous in the extreme. There is clear and abundant evidence of misconduct by the police and a disgraced prosecutor.

In short, this is as bad a travesty of justice as anyone here is likely to see.

The Italians know Amanda and Raffaele are innocent and so does the American State Department and so does anyone else who has studied the case in detail. In fact, Mignini himself knows they are innocent–that’s why he engaged in character assassination and strategic lies and leaks.

Now that the media circus has died down, cooler heads will prevail. Amanda and Raffaele will be acquitted and sent home after 3-4 years in prison for a crime they absolutely did not commit.

Don’t be so quick to praise the Italians over their appeals process. In the best case Amanda is freed in two more years. She will be 24 and have spend one sixth of her innocent young life in an Italian high security steel cage. Worst case is that in two years time she gets her sentence cut in half and has to face another 13 years in that dungeon with her life having been reduced to dust. There’s some doggerel verse from the Angela Davis bogus murder conviction of 1970 that also applies here, “There’s a poster of Amanda Knox on my wall, She’s in prison for nothing at all”. Why should America fight Afghan crazies to keep Afghani women from having to wear Burkhas when one of its own girl children is kept in an Italian cage because of turning a cartwheel and the bizarre sexual fantasies of a lecherous old Italian prosecutor? FREE AMANDA KNOX!

“All over the US rallies continue to be held” ???? That’s obviously a weak joke. Could you name just one or two of those “rallies” ?

And you got just 90 people after weeks of promotion in all local media. There is no crowd, just a PR agency and the Knox family and their friends. Period.

All this is not a laughing matter. It’s a lying, convicted sex offender.

Just to prevent misunderstandings: I’m neither from Italy nor from Britain.

Remember Meredith.

Comparing Amanda to Angela Davis is stupid. Angela Davis was a socialist and activist who was a member of the Black Panthers, a sometimes militant group that had used violent tactics in the past. Her arrest was legitimate, since the firearms used in the murder were purchased under her name. She was targeted because she was a black female outspoken political figure in a tumultuous time.

There’s no reason why Italians would want to prosecute a white upper middle class female and the son of a well established family – that doesn’t make sense.

The girl and boy are guilty

KEEP FOX IN THE BOX!!

KEEP FOX IN THE BOX!!

Amanda is guilty. Just read the facts on True Justice.org and you will see convincing evidence.

Her parents are in complete denial. Amanda lied to her own mother, she denied making a phone call to her mother, before calling police. Her mother remembers it and phone records prove it. She has lied repeatedly and even accused others…

She was under the influence of drugs and alcohol. These substances change people. She might seem innocent now with no drugs and alcohol. AMANDA is where she deserves to be.

I studied in Italy, and while the Italians might take a long time to do things, they do it right. And this goes for their legal system. I fully support Italy …it is no worse or better than the system here in the USA.

Amanda probably needs rehab. At least she’s getting help in prison, and can have alcohol, drugs or philander with questionable men.

Since America murders innocent people every year with their own justice system perhaps they should have fund raised for the abolition of the death penalty in the US first.

At least in Italy (a better country than the US) there is no death penalty for Knox if she turns out to be innocent.

Until America fixes its own barbaric justice system they have no right to lecture anyone else.
Americans have no right to tell the rest of us how to treat Americans when Americans are doing far worse to their own people (and we’re not even talking about your appalling health care and cruelty to each other on that).

Italy: No death penalty, and health care for everyone. Far more pro-life than the American savages.

amanda is not guilty and is caught in a hellish nightmare.she will not get any support from the american goverment they are relying on the italians to sort out there own mess.an american piolet hit a cable and killed twenty people at a ski resort.the cia arrested a man off the street in italy and took him out of the country,this the reason why amanda knox is in jail at the moment instead of being on bail until the case has gone through the three courts.the conviction of the prosecuter of abuse of power gives amanda a chance of bail if her supporters could get a small bit of support of the american goverment.i am not british american or italian but i have studied this case and i have no doubt of amandas innocence.the way the american people is turning its back on this young girl is not a pretty site to watch

I loved Mikes comment about disinformation,the only place I have found disinformation is in the US media. We can ignore the totality of evidence because she is American and because the PR company hired by her family say so. Only in America can we celebrate and honor the convicted murderer and air brush the real victim out of the picture. A comedy night seems to just about sum up those who ignore the evidence and choose blind faith. She did it get over it, this is getting embarrasing

To the Amanda haters that are snorting because “only” 90 people showed up:

The room was full to capacity;like many comedy clubs, it’s a small place. We had to sit in a hall approaching the main room.

Anybody who believes Amanda Knox is guilty is to many Tabloids or wearing blinders. If people were not so quick to judge, they that the evidence is clearly pointing away from her. By the Mike, I clicked on sciencesphere.com I liked what I saw, bookmarked it and will read first chance I get, thanks for posting that on this blog.

To those who still believe that she could not, as Jim Rocca said, “possibly have committed” the crime, you are delusional and will buy any load of garbage that is placed in front of your dimwitted minds.

You people – the believers in falsehoods – need therapy.

Please, I beg of you, do not breed.

Pat, give it up, the attendance was poor. Take away the family and close friends who were on ths guest list then the night was a wash out. Seattle isn’t interested in supporting a convcted killer, get over it she ain’t comming home any time soon.

I am an American citizen who would hate to see hard-earned taxpayer money spent on this psychopath- Nazi-lover of Amanda Knox. Get real people! She and the other two guys are guilty!

A fellow employee at the World Cup cafe in Seattle, where Knox worked, said: “The first time I met her she asked me if I was Jewish. I told her I was. She then screamed ‘My people killed your people’ and began laughing hysterically.

“I didn’t know what to say. She just kept laughing about her Germans killing my Jews. After that, I did not like her. She really freaked me out.”

Why does Knox’s mother say that Amanda should have fled to Germany?

Since the original article was about the fundraiser for Amanda Knox, I’d like to address the issue of the attendance figures. May I say that I believe the worldwide depth of support for this innocent girl wrongfully convicted of a crime she did not commit cannot be well measured by this attendance figure for a stand-up performance on a weekday night in Seattle? And, may I add, the final ticket sales figures will not be in until the day of the next fundraiser in Seattle, thus closing ticket sales for the fundraiser before it ….Had I been able to afford to take off work and travel from the DFW metropolitan area of Texas to Seattle to attend, I certainly would have done so. Instead, I’ll send the fifty dollar ticket price in to Amanda’s Legal Trust Fund to contribute what I can to Amanda Knox’s appeal by “buying” one of the unused tickets from January 27th.
And, don’t worry my fellow friends and supporters of Amanda Knox, because one by one all the unused tickets for empty seats on January 27th are going to end up being “sold” and the performance will have been, in the final analysis, a “sell-out”!

There are a few things that bother me about this case
and the comments that surround it:

There were at least five other residents
in that building but Amanda was the only US citizen
who resided there. We don’t hear much about the alibis of the four young men living downstairs or even of Filomena. Yet, they were just as likely suspects too. Even Rudy’s original story makes more sense than Mignini’s fantasy. Why would the murderer take time to paint letters on the wall when he should be getting lost? The afro guy might be a pest, but he doesn’t seem like a killer. Witnesses aren’t worth much either. Look at Google Map. That villa is 30 yards from the nearest building. And here’s another wrinkle. Don’t accomplices invariably rat on each other? It’s easy to do; merely isolate each one and tell him that the others have already squealed. Yet all three have pretty much stuck to their stories for the last two years.

I suspect some anti-Amercian animosities. Most native
Italians in Italy admire Americans, but a few still
harbor bad feelings. Just look at recent history and
see some bitter disagreements: the Achille Lauro,
the Cermis cable car crash and the death of their hero
Nicola Callipari. I’m a little disappointed with them. Italian Americans have given blood and treasure
liberating Europe from the Nazis, holding the vigil
in the shadow of the Iron Curtain, and coughing up cash for every earthquake disaster.

Here are two copy-and-paste lines from Wikipedia:

On October 25, 2007, and Italian court dismissed
the charges against Lozano.
On 6 Novermber 2007, police arrested three suspects:
Amanda Knox,…

That means that only twelve days after Italy’s case against US Army SPC Mario Lozano was dismissed, Amanda was arrested.

Media hate groups have had a field day. Before we accuse a “pretty little white girl” of getting special treatment, consider something which we Americans take for granted. You are innocent until proven guilty and not the other way around. That’s a simple value supported by each of us, regardless of his race or ethnic background.

Mainland Europeans, save the Brits, sneer at Americans
on the whim of every new coalition. Nixon once said:
“We can lose by scorning allies who are less than perfect.” and so we politely concede when they act aloof. We must prepare for a day when America will be alone in a hostile world.

She deserves what she got, skanky yank. Americans think they can do what they want.
Justice was served.

Paul no one else who lived at the villa lied about were they where, the other to people convicted were an Italian and an African so how does that make Knox’s conviction anti American. The jury convicted on evidence not nationality no matter what her families PR consultants would have us believe.

Again, I stress that this girl needs help, but not the kind from Fandom Support groups.
She needs rehab, and a therapist. This girl has issues, and her family is partly to blame. They should have never let her take off somewhere unsupervised where she could do whatever she liked until whatever time in the morning.
She was on exchange, and should have been studying, not bar tending or gallivanting around with go-nowhere play boys.

Here’s a lesson to all you kids – keep your nose in your books and out of trouble – it’ll pay off in the long run.

Tony, don’t forget that the Italians did not hesitate to convict and jail knox’s boy pal, sollecito,the “well connected” Italian doctor’s son. This case has ZERO to do with anti-American feeling on Italy’s part.
And if knox gets out on appeal, for those in Seattle that are fighting so hard for her “freedom”– please keep her in the U.S.- the rest of the world doesn’t want her.

Peter out

The problem with the Amanda supporters is that they go purely on feelings and not on the facts. When I heard about this I wanted to believe Amanda to be innocent, but after reading the trial evidence and accounts given by others at the house and seeing the police evidence, I can not believe her to be innocent. Both she and Sollecito gave so many lying, conflicting accounts, and to this day she has never given a single clear and honest account of what really happened. At this point she has also lied so many times that the truth can no longer be recognized as such anymore. But what is clear without a doubt, whether she herself actually killed Meredith or not, is that she certainly was present when Meredith was murdered. I believe that under Italian law, being present at a crime scene and not doing something to prevent it like calling the emergency police phone number to get help from the police, is already considered manslaughter. People talk about her bad behavior. She definitely has behavioral problems but that does not necessarily make her a killer. Use of marijuana also does not make a person kill. Some wild sexual or college behavior also does not make a person a murderer, it simply makes her a wild college girl, and that is her personal choice and not against the law. But on the other hand, she seems to have a documented track record of Nazi tendencies and behavior, and a record of being proud of being a Nazi sympathizer, and that is something that might relate to this case. Also, the fact that she is pretty does not make her innocent. She would not be the first pretty girl to become a murderess. The Manson murders were committed by a bunch of very pretty girls who had no previous criminal records. Those events do happen spontaneously sometimes, that a person with no criminal record gets carried away and commits a crime in a moment of some kind of passion or excitement. Also, her loss of memory of that night is baloney. Marijuana does not make a person forget what they did while they were under the influence. She may not be talking but she most certainly remembers exactly where she was that night with no memory problem. As far as Mignini himself being convicted, a corrupt prosecutor is a terrible thing but at the same time that does not in any way prove her to be innocent, it is unrelated to whether she committed a murder or not. I saw that the trial lasted a long time and I hope the jury understood the gravity of sending someone away for many years. I’m sure her behavior influenced the jury, since her unwillingness to tell a straight story forced them to judge by the surrounding evidence. But there seemed to be plenty of it, such as her waiting for the store to open first thing in the morning so that she could run in and buy a large container of bleach that she then took home to start immediately cleaning things up. When your roommate has been killed, you don’t normally go buy a huge bottle of bleach and start cleaning the walls and floors of your apartment; you would normally run away from the horrible scene and go to the nearest phone and call the police for immediate help. My impression of her is that she fits the bill for something I have read about, a psychologically ill person who is classified as a charming psychopath. She was so detached during her own trial as though it was a joke, dressing in casual, fun clothes, as though it were not an incredibly serious and sober event. She flirted with the media and looked to be basking in the attention and not really getting that this trial meant either her regained freedom or else the end of her life as she has known it. She seemed unaware that her behavior prolonged not only her trial but also her family’s financial burden as well. She clearly didn’t even have much mercy for her own family’s plight. I found the whole thing very strange. Well, I’d say that it’s very hard to know what really happened in that room except that she and Sollecito were certainly present in the house when the murder happened, and that even though neither was telling the story, they both know exactly what happened that night. The whole thing is a tragedy, and no one wins. Poor Meredith will never get to live her life. Sollecito and Knox are both losing their youth and the impetus into their professional lives and will live marginal lives the day they finally get out of jail. Meredith’s family is badly affected. Both of Knox’s separate parental families are financially ruined (unless the Donald Trump gives them money but he doesn’t seem to be coming forward with actual funds for them). Her sisters are in their teens and can not have a normal teenage growing up anymore; all the attention of the parents is directed toward Amanda and the sisters must feel some abandonment by their parents. In short, it’s a complete mess, so it’s really a sad situation. But even though it’s sad, even though she’s pretty, even though she previously got good grades, some people do turn and become bad apples, and it seems that’s what happened to her. If you are American and live outside the United States, then you need to know that if you get into trouble you will be subject to the courts and laws of that country, you are not under the jurisdiction of the American court system. In this case she would probably have been convicted in the U.S. as well. Not due to DNA, but due to circumstantial evidence and accounts of the roommates. Most murders do not have witnesses and are therefore tried on circumstantial evidence, that is not unusual. If she is re-tried without political pressure, my guess is that the courts will make the same decision. If they let her out of jail, then I hope that her family and friends will keep a close eye on her and watch out, because if she is a psychopath, she might strike again if a situation gets her to the right pitch to lose her senses and strike out. This is a riveting case and is definitely fascinating to follow, but the human tragedy on so many sides is really very saddening.

vigil! wht a joke. she is oly being suppoted because she is a white american from seattle which is a prejudiced state to begin with. thats why people in this world including europeans despise americans. they want to get away with anything even murder. all the judges, prosecuters , witnesses are liars and that this evil beast is innocent? thats wht u want people to believe why wuld cops will go after her and her boyfriend only? why,did they have any past animosity against her ? obviously not. other roomates were also interrogated and their alibis went by the cops and thn corrobated by the circumstantial evidences, except amana the butcher and the boyfriend. the reason why their alibis didnt fly by the authorities, not becuz the cops are stupid or persecutive but that amanda and that sick boyfrinds are compilsive liars and unclean conscience. i mean the way that poor girl was killed, this amanda the charming psycopath is actually a butcher. hope she and her boyfrined rot in that hole forever. who ever supports her is an actuallity a white supermacist and outright racist and carries the blood of the victim on their hands.

webinsect says:

”Well, I’d say that it’s very hard to know what really happened in that room except that she and Sollecito were certainly present in the house when the murder happened, and that even though neither was telling the story, they both know exactly what happened that night.”

That’s really good webinsect. You’re beginning to understand that it is very difficult to take part in a brutal, group murder without leaving a teensy weensy speck of DNA evidence on the victim. Or even quite a large amount of DNA residue on the victim come to think of it. Which is why it is difficult to even put Amanda in the murder room on the fateful night. Now that you have established that unless she leaned into the room and killed Meredith without actually stepping into it, Amanda can’t actually have been the one who did the killing.
Now all you have to do is answer your own question: why did she not then, simply contact the police and report a serious crime she had nothing to do with? Out of loyalty to a man whose name she didn’t even know? Or out of loyalty to a boyfriend who she splits up with first chance she gets and according to people like you, tried to dump in the crap in her statement?
Your reasoning lacks.

Sorry, John Winters, your own reasoning lacks. You are obviously her friend or relation and want her to be freed, but your own reasoning doesn’t add up. You can not morph your opinions into fact, they will still remain opinions no matter how loudly you state them. But you are clearly a friend or family close to the case and for your hurt feelings I am sorry, I know this is very hard on people close to her.

You state that it’s normal to walk in on a murder and not contact the police just because you didn’t know the person. That is of course nonsense and you are hurting her case if you are trying to defend her on such obviously ridiculous points. If any normal person walks into any building, ESPECIALLY into their own home!, and sees someone known or unknown who has been murdered, the first normal reaction is to run out of there like hell!, and Go Call The Police! ANY normal and innocent person would do that without thinking twice. No innocent person would hang around and think about what to do for a couple of hours, go buy bleach to clean up and run the washing machine and take a shower. Get Real.

What I said and think is that this is an enormous jumble of confusion. An evening passes and an event occurs. Loads of different people experience that very same evening differently. Each one remembers it according to his or her own events and perceptions. When a tragedy happens the police have to take all the different perceptions of bits and pieces of events seen from different perspectives and time frmaes, assuming the truth was told or people remembered correctly, and then patch it together and make sense of it.

How to make sense of something as jumbled as this, I don’t envy anyone the task of having to do. But it is important to remember that with confusion and jumbled facts, Amanda Knox is not necessarily guilty. And conversely she is also not necessarily innocent. All information and lack of information adds up to a story that has to be weighed and judged. Reading about the case on websites you read a lot of misinformation and also you read other clear evidence from the trial that never appeared on websites.

My own impression is that she seems to clearly have been present at the apartment either during or immediately after the crime and was aware of it but did not immediately report it and went and purchased bleach at 7:45 in the morning to go home and clean and run the clothes washer. There is definitely some level of involvement there. An innocent person comes in and finds the scene and is freaked out of their mind and goes to get help. Someone who was involved tries to remedy the situation by doing things to erase their own involvement before the police can find out.

Why her DNA is not in the room is definitely weird and it is one of the mysteries of the case. There was supposedly her bloody fingerprint on Meredith’s face, I read that in a British newspaper for whatever that is worth as being true.

But my own idea on the case is that the media built the story up too much on the line of what Mignini put forward, which I believe was a bunch of baloney. Much is made of her and Sollecito as a couple with Guede as a third separate party. She actually knew Guede longer than Sollecito and I think this may have been something that transpired basically between her and Guede at the apartment and that she brought Sollecito into it at the end or afterwards, and that is why the two of them kept having different accounts of their night and whether they were together or not. I think Sollecito had a major crush on her, she obviously has a manipulative and strong personality and got him to lie and then he was caught in the lies and tried to change things around.

But she is definitely a manipulator and liar and remorseless about framing other people. First she tried to frame Lumumba and ruined his business and livelihood (the police closed down his bar as a place of evidence and he lost his business, he is out of business now). When that didn’t stick she switched to Sollecito and tried to frame him for the murder. She will throw anyone under the bus who she possibly can.

If you are her relative or former friend, I know this is hard to reconcile with someone you knew in the past, but that is what neighbors and friends often say about someone who commits a serious crime. When that person snaps it’s a completely different personality than you know. But it can indeed be the same person. Lizzie Borden was someone’s daughter, too, before she axe murdered loads of people.

Like I said, if she get acquitted, good luck. She may be innocent but if I were you I’d watch my back. Permanently. Good Luck.

Peg said: “Amanda is guilty. Just read the facts on True Justice.org and you will see convincing evidence.”

Are you kidding? You invited me over, I went over and found this site extremely biased and often just downright nasty. I also didn’t find some of the “facts” I’ve seen on other sites when it pertains to the defense.

webspider says:

”If any normal person walks into any building, ESPECIALLY into their own home!, and sees someone known or unknown who has been murdered, the first normal reaction is to run out of there like hell!, and Go Call The Police! ANY normal and innocent person would do that without thinking twice. No innocent person would hang around and think about what to do for a couple of hours, go buy bleach to clean up and run the washing machine and take a shower. Get Real.”

That’s all very well, and you being the human fly and all, you probably have X-Ray vision. Amanda Knox on the other hand is only human like the rest of us and can’t see through doors, especially locked ones dear spider.

The “press” tried and convicted Amanda. It is nothing new, Nancy Grace pulls the same crap here in the U.S.
The focus should remain on The prosecutor and the stunts he pulled with the author Preston.
There is prejudice everywhere here and there.Many countries lump all Americans, as over privileged bully’s who strong arm everyone. Amanda is being punished for our Govt’s policies, the last 8 years in particular. I believe this is about how the rest of the world has been treated by us.Having lived outside of the U.S. many years, I never saw such outright hostility as I have seen toward us in the last few years. Until we build bridges and restore relationships none of our children are safe outside of our borders. Any of them could be used as a scapegoat. We became bullies with no thought to the rest of the world and Amanda will pay the price. How does Italy save face? they cannot retry or release without looking like bowing down to our demands.
the real shame is how she was convicted for not reacting to this in a “normal”way. If you don’t react the “normal” way you must be guilty. WTF!I have never murdered anyone but in crisis I have calmly went about taking care of things and broke in private.

Risa.

You seem to be expressing an opinion fairly commonly-held by apologists who are keen nowadays to placate the envious little goblins in Europe and the rest of the world, who see the States as an easy target and skapegoat for all their own shortcomings. That fact, together with the world of Star Wars development we presently live in, makes the US a bully in the rest of the world how exactly?

Amanda is a victim of the very real anti-American feeling there is abroad at the moment. But please don’t try to make out that that ill-feeling has any basis in legitimate grievance. It is just resentment born of envy pure and simple.

Let’s all look at the case at bar. The fact that these two kids are in jail in Italy, is, and will be questioned by many legal systems.

The prosecutor, in this case, is in question for abusing his own power in previous matters. His fanatical and delusional concepts of the events appear to have persuaded the court in this case. There are a couple of questions that legal minds are inquiring about.

Where is the hard evidence that AK and RS killed the young woman? The burden of proof is soley reliant upon the prosecution. When was this proven other than concepts and theories presented by a man who had a wild theory?

Many legal minded people want to know the logic behind sending these people to jail, before hard evidence was substantiated. “De Novo” , every person is innocent until proven guilty, it is not the case here.

So anyway Risa, what do you think about that?

………..Risa?………

oh….

Amanda’s innocent. All facts point to Rudy Guede! I’m sorry but that glove fits perfect. To those of you who try to pounce on every article and bash Americans I say this to you: Your agenda is revealed. Keeping her locked up makes you feel like your punishing her country. You dont really care about justice.You only want to bash America.You never point out this fact or that fact to have a real and honest debate,you just want to refer to your favorite article you’ve read as gospel. If they write it then it must be true right? For some reason I cant ever comment on those articles. They usually state that you have to agree with their opinion if you want to reply.

I agree with Brian,
Why didnt the prosecution focus on proving where everyone was the night before. Thats when she was murdered. Prove AK and RS were there after Merideth came home that night. We know Rudy was there.Who cares about the timeline the next day? Those calls to the police the next day dont prove they commited a murder any more than the cold sore on her lip! Besides I have several clocks and they all read different times. Your clocks probably wont match mine.

webopinion said:

”Sorry, John Winters, your own reasoning lacks….You
can not morph your opinions into fact, they will still remain opinions no matter how loudly you state them.”

There is NO forensic evidence to put Amanda in the murder room. That is a fact. Please explain the process whereby it is ”morphed from my opinion.”

Amanda Knox is a very unforunate American girl who has got mixed up in an international wrangle of intense complexity. She has been imprisoned for 26 years in Perugia, Italy, accused of committing a serious crime which in fact she can’t possibly have committed. She now desperately needs the help of ordinary people like you and me in her efforts to gain an acquittal when thankfully, her case is heard again at appeal in a few months. Please support her in any way you can, even if it’s just bringing up the case at work in the coffee break in order to put Amanda’s case to your colleagues.
Thank you.

As usual, the “hang Amanda – we need to see her blood” gang is all here. Sorry folks but I think you all need a brain scan (as well as perhaps a valium or two?). Why do you feel the need to make it all so damn complicated? I just don’t get it.

It’s really very simple:
- Rudy Guede’s forensic material was found all over Meredith Kercher’s bedroom and body.
– No forensic material belonging to Amanda Knox or Raffaele Sollecito was found in Meredith Kercher’s bedroom or body.
– Ergo, Rudy Guede murdered Meredith Kercher all by himself…end of story.

Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito are innocent…period.

The evidence against Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito is overwhelming.

Amanda Knox’s DNA was found on:

1. On the double DNA knife and a number of independent forensic experts – Dr. Patrizia Stefanoni, Dr. Renato Biondo and Professor Francesca Torricelli – categorically stated that Meredith’s DNA was on the blade.

2. Mixed with Meredith’s blood on the ledge of the basin.

3. Mixed with Meredith’s blood on the bidet.

4. Mixed with Meredith blood on a box of Q Tip cotton swabs.

5. Mixed with Meredith’s blood in the hallway.

6. Mixed with Meredith’s blood on the floor of Filomena’s room, where the break-in was staged.

7. On Meredith’s bra according to Dr. Stefanoni AND Raffaele Sollecito’s forensic expert, Professor Vinci.

Amanda Knox’s footprints were found set in Meredith’s blood in two places in the hallway of the new wing of the cottage. One print was exiting her own room, and one print was outside Meredith’s room, facing into the room. These bloody footprints were only revealed under luminol.

A woman’s bloody shoeprint, which matched Amanda Knox’s foot size, was found on a pillow under Meredith’s body. The bloody shoeprint was incompatible with Meredith’s shoe size.

Two independent imprint experts categorically excluded the possibility that the bloody footprint on the blue bathmat could belong to Rudy Guede. Lorenzo Rinaldi stated:

“You can see clearly that this bloody footprint on the rug does not belong to Mr. Guede, but you can see that it is compatible with Sollecito.”

The other imprint expert print expert testified that the bloody footprint on the blue bathmat matched the precise characteristics of Sollecito’s foot.

An abundant amount of Raffaele Sollecito’s DNA was found on Meredith’s bra clasp. Sollecito must have applied considerable pressure to the clasp in order to have left so much DNA. The hooks on the clasp were damaged which confirms that Sollecito had gripped them tightly.

According to Judge Massei and Judge Cristiani, Rudy Guede’s visible bloody footprints lead straight out of Meredith’s room and out of the house. He didn’t lock Meredith’s door, remove his trainers, go into Filomena’s room or the bathroom that Meredith and Knox shared.

He didn’t scale the vertical wall outside Filomena’s room or gain access through the window. The break-in was clearly staged. This indicates that somebody who lived at the cottage was trying to deflect attention away from themselves and give the impression that a stranger had broken in and killed Meredith.

Guede had no reason to stage the break-in and there was no physical evidence that he went into Filomena’s room or the bathroom. The scientific police found a mixture of Knox’s DNA and Meredith’s blood on the floor in Filomena’s room. They also found irrefutable proof that Knox and Sollecito had tracked Meredith’s blood into the bathroom.

The murder dynamic implicates Knox and Sollecito.

Barbie Nadeau wrote the following:

“Countless forensic experts, including those who performed the autopsies on Kercher’s body, have testified that more than one person killed her based on the size and location of her injuries and the fact that she didn’t fight back—no hair or skin was found under her fingernails.”

Judge Paolo Micheli claimed that Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito knew precise details about Meredith’s murder that they could have only known if they were present when she was killed.

Amanda Knox voluntarily admitted that she involved in Meredith’s murder in her handwritten note to the police on 6 November 2007. She stated on at least four separate occasions that she was at the cottage when Meredith was killed. She also claimed that Sollecito was at the cottage.

Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito both gave multiple conflicting alibis and lied repeatedly. Their lies were exposed by telephone and computer records, and by CCTV footage. Neither Knox nor Sollecito have credible alibis for the night of the murder despite three attempt each. At the trial, Sollecito refused to corroborate Knox’s alibi that she was at his apartment.

Legal expert Stefano Maffei stated the following:

“There were 19 judges who looked at the evidence over the course of two years, faced with decisions on pre-trial detention, review of such detention, committal to trial, judgment on criminal responsibility. They all agreed, at all times, that the evidence was overwhelming.”

We live in very strange times. It goes virtually unnoticed today when people openly write hateful things about others in the public domain. And when challenged to explain this sort of behaviour, they have no problem simply ignoring the challenge and just continuing to publish their insidious ideas.
Why would anyone do this?
Amanda Knox is a loving, gentle person with a sweet disposition and a propensity to help and care for others. Just ask any of her true friends in Seattle. She is not a hateful person and would certainly not spend numerous manhours on blogs like these writing nasty things about someone who had been sent to prison for 26 years for a crime they hadn’t committed, even if she thought they were guilty. But then that’s Amanda for you.
I would hope that it is she who is actually representative of the rest of us, not these poisonous hate-mongers.
Sorry there’s no punchline to this piece. My sense of humour has kind of suffocated in the miasma of malice and resentment they have infected this blog with.

Judge Massei’s 427- page report will be published in English on Monday 9 August. It will be available for download from PMF and TJMK.

September 2011: Judge Hellman has just introduced the Perugian legal system to the wonders of air conditioning.