Even a casual listener of Marc Maron’s podcast WTF knows about his rocky relationship with comedian Louis C.K. Back in October of 2010, however, C.K. sat down with Maron for a two-part WTF interview and in the end they seemed to have worked things out. After all, “We were best friends for a long time,” C.K. explains in the interview. They two have hung out casually and Maron even chatted with C.K. about the idea of self-releasing C.K.’s Live at the Beacon Theater a few months before that became a reality.
And now, we hear that Maron is shooting some scenes for the upcoming season of C.K.’s FX show, Louie. He’s doing it today, in fact. So, I thought now would be an excellent day to re-listen to that interview and carefully transcribe the bit about their friendship. So, here it is:
Louis C.K.: What I can say as far as trying to stay friends with somebody that you have a hard time thinking about what they’re doing against with what you’re doing is focus on them needing a friend. It takes a good friend to stay with you in hard times; it takes a good friend to stay with you in good times. Everybody needs support. So, you’re letting me down – if you see me doing something and you have a hard time coming to terms with it because [of what] you’re feeling about your own life, what’s really happening is you’re letting me down as a friend, by being jealous. So, think about the other person. Think about what they might need. I could’ve used you. I got divorced. I got a show canceled. You know, I had some tough times; I could’ve used a friend during those times that were making you jealous, I was struggling. I was having a hard time. Doing the Louie show was really hard, trying to keep my family together. It was hard.
Marc Maron: But the thing is with the way our friendship always operated, it’s was not that I was kept up to date on the day to day things, it wasn’t a day to day call that we had. It seemed like most of the time that made our friendship so deep and so strong, was that when we did talk, we made each other feel better.
C.K.: That’s true, but you shut me out. You shut me out because you were having a hard time.
Maron: Well, I apologize again.
C.K.: Well, I apologize to because I probably did that to you out of resentment. I ignored your emails because you ignored my phone calls back when ther was no email.
Maron: Well, can we get back on track, or what?
C.K.: Yeah. I think we can.
Maron: Because you understand me. And not a lot of people do. And even when I tell stories about it, you always are able – even in your weird way and even if I thought you weren’t listening, even when you did pick up what I was saying – that you were able to give me a great deal of relief, fairly quickly. And I miss that.
C.K.: Well, we understand each other’s flaws very well—because we share some and we’ve known each other long enough to understand them. So, that’s why we’re able to tell each other about moments that we don’t want to tell anybody else—and to have the other person go, ‘Yeah, I get it,’ instead of going, ‘Oh my God, why did you that?’ Instead [we’d say], ‘Don’t be stupid; do this instead,’ or ‘That happens.’
Maron: The only time I said, ‘Oh my God’ is when I realized I missed so much of your life, and I felt horrible about it.
C.K.: You know, it’s funny. I did the same thing when you got divorced the first time. I got mad at you—and I know now why. Because I was married, and I didn’t want you to get out. Being divorced, it has changed my relationship to a lot of people who are married that I knew before. It just changes things. People look at your differently.
Maron: Well, I love you, man. Let’s just try to be better friends.
C.K.: Same here. Ok.